‘I think after a certain age you get bored of birthdays’: Prince Harry hints Queen is not looking forward to turning 96 – as he says her sense of humour is the best thing about her
- Prince Harry spoke of ‘special relationship’ with Queen and described best quality as her ‘sense of humour’
- But he suggested Monarch is not looking forward to upcoming 96th birthday, which takes place tomorrow
- ‘I think after a certain age you get bored of birthdays,’ he told NBC Today’s presenter Hoda Kotb in interview
Prince Harry has today hinted the Queen may not be looking forward to turning 96, as he also talked up his ‘special relationship’ with his grandmother.
In his latest interview on US television, the Duke of Sussex spoke in glowing terms about the Monarch – following his ‘surprise’ visit to Windsor Castle last week.
The 37-year-old also discussed the Queen’s upcoming birthday. Her Majesty is set to turn 96 tomorrow – her actual birthday. Her ‘official’ birthday – as the sovereign – is due to take place on June 12.
Alongside the celebrations for her 96th birthday, this year the Queen will also celebrate her 70th on the throne, with a host of Platinum Jubilee events planned for later this year.
But when asked about the Queen’s upcoming birthday in his interview with NBC Today presenter Hoda Kotb, Prince Harry appeared to suggest that the Queen was ‘bored’ of the celebrations.
Speaking to the broadcaster, he said: ‘I think she’s — I think after a certain age you get bored of birthdays.
Ms Kotb replied: ‘You think she’s bored of her 96th?’ ‘I think so,’ responds Prince Harry. But the Duke then appeared to change tack when asked if the Queen will be ‘bored’ for her jubilee.
He replied: ‘No. I don’t think so. She’s had a few jubilees now and every one is slightly different. I’m sure she is looking forward to it.’
Earlier Prince Harry had been asked what he thought was the best thing about the Queen. He responded: ‘Her sense of humour and ability to see the humour in so… so many different things.
‘We have a really special relationship. We talk about thing she can’t really talk about with anybody else so that is always a nice peace to her.’
Prince Harry spoke to NBC’s Today programme and praised the Queen’s ‘great sense of humour’ during yesterday’s interview
In his latest interview on US television, the Duke of Sussex spoke in glowing terms about his grandmother (pictured), following his ‘surprise visit’ last week
In his latest interview on US television, the Duke of Sussex spoke in glowing terms about his grandmother, following his ‘surprise’ visit to Windsor Castle (pictured) last week
Highlights: What Prince Harry said in his NBC chat
- On visiting the Queen: ‘Being with her, it was great. It was just so nice to see her. You know, she’s on great form. She has always got a great sense of humour with me and I’m just making sure she’s protected and has got the right people around her.’
- On the best thing about the Queen: ‘Her sense of humour and her ability to see the humour in so many different things. We have a really special relationship. We talk about things that she can’t talk about with anybody else, so that is always a nice peace to her. But I think she’s… I think after a certain age you get bored of birthdays.’
- On whether he misses William and Charles: ‘Look I mean, for me at the moment, I’m here focused on these guys and these families and giving everything that I can, 120 per cent to them to make sure they have the experience of a lifetime. That’s my focus here. And when I leave here, I get back and my focus is on my family who I miss massively.’
- On whether he will attend the Platinum Jubilee celebrations: ‘I don’t know yet. There’s lots of things with security issues and everything else. This is what I’m trying to do, trying to make it possible that I can get my kids to meet her.’
- On Archie: ‘He’s into the why stage. Why this? Why that? Why that? And instead of just trying to move it on, I give him the most honest answer I can. And then it goes on and on and on until he’s satisfied. And then that’s it. It’s done. Otherwise it ends up with – because the world is round and that it is the way life is.’
- On his late mother Princess Diana: ‘It is almost as though she’s done her bit with my brother and now she’s very much, like, helping me. Got him set up. And now she’s helping me set up. That’s what it feels like, you know? He’s got his kids. I’ve got my kids, you know the circumstances are obviously different. But now, I feel her presence in almost everything that I do now. But definitely more so in the last two years than ever before. Without question. So she’s watching over us.’
His comments came in the interview with NBC’s Today – his second major broadcast interview in the US after he and wife Meghan Markle’s bombshell Oprah Winfrey sit-down chat in March last year.
It also comes after Prince Harry paid a secret visit to Her Majesty on his way to the Netherlands, where he is currently hosting the Invictus Games.
On the way from California, he made a ‘secret’ stop-off to Windsor castle to visit his grandmother with wife Meghan. The pair have not brought their two children Archie and Lillibet – the latter of whom is named after the Queen’s nickname by her late husband Prince Philip.
During the interview, broadcast at around midday UK time, Prince Harry also refused to say whether he missed his father Prince Charles and brother Prince William amid their ongoing feud.
The Duke of Sussex also placed doubt over whether he would attend his grandmother’s Platinum Jubilee celebrations in London in June amid the ongoing security row with the Home Office, adding: ‘Home for me now is, you know, for the time being, it’s in the States. And it feels that way as well.’
This comes despite his lawyers telling the High Court in February of the UK: ‘This is and always will be his home.’
Harry also spoke about his mantra of ‘trying to make the world a better place for my kids’ while explaining his fears that he could face ‘burnout’ while working from home at his £11million mansion in Montecito, California.
And, talking about his late mother Princess Diana, Harry told NBC’s Today that he feels her ‘presence in almost everything that I do now’ and that he talks to his son Archie about her and there are photos of her in their home.
Asked about the Jubilee celebrations, he said: ‘I don’t know yet. There’s lots of things with security issues and everything else. This is what I’m trying to do, trying to make it possible that I can get my kids to meet her.’
But when questioned over whether he misses Charles and William, the Duke was keen to swerve the subject, telling Ms Kotb: ‘For me at the moment, I’m here focused on these guys [Invictus athletes] and these families and giving everything that I can, 120 per cent to them to make sure they have the experience of a lifetime.
‘That’s my focus here. And when I leave here, I get back and my focus is on my family who I miss massively.’
Prince Harry attends the indoor rowing event during day five of the Invictus Games The Hague 2020 at Zuiderpark today
The Duke of Sussex cycles through Zuiderpark during the Invictus Games at The Hague in the Netherlands today
Prince Harry attends the indoor rowing event during day five of the Invictus Games The Hague 2020 at Zuiderpark today
Buckingham Palace officials have been braced for sensational claims from the Duke of Sussex’s interview, after a trailer revealed last night that he is ‘making sure the Queen is protected and has the right people around her’.
Who is Hoda Kotb? US news anchor speaking to Prince Harry about his personal life on Today show is a former war correspondent and a breast cancer survivor
Hoda Kotb is the co-anchor of NBC’s morning show Today, which she has been hosting alongside Savannah Guthrie since January 2018, when she was named as the replacement for disgraced on-air personality Matt Lauer, who was fired by NBC amid allegations of sexual misconduct.
The 57-year-old’s promotion to anchor came after a 20-year career at NBC, which she began as a correspondent on Dateline, a role that saw her reporting from war-torn areas across the world, including Iraq and Burma, as well as covering major disasters like Hurricane Katrina and the tsunami in South East Asia.
In 2007, Kotb was named as the host of Today’s fourth hour – the morning show’s most light-hearted segment.
During the fourth hour, hosts are known to sip on wine while discussing a variety of lifestyle topics, opening up about their personal lives, and interviewing celebrities in soft sit-downs.
Prince Harry and Hoda Kotb, co-anchor of NBC’s morning show Today
The mother-of-two – who is a breast cancer survivor – has documented much of her own life on the fourth hour of the show, including her decision to adopt two daughters, her engagement to financier Joel Schiffman, and their recent split.
Kotb initially co-anchored the segment alongside Kathie Lee Gifford, who then was replaced by former first daughter Jenna Bush Hager – daughter of George W. Bush – in April 2019.
While Kotb’s interview with Prince Harry is understood to mark the first time the two have spoken on-air, the Today anchor did speak with TV mogul Oprah Winfrey about her bombshell interview with the Sussexes last year – during which the couple made several explosive and damaging allegations about the royal family.
Two months after the March 2021 sent shockwaves around the world, Harry aired further accusations about his family in an Apple TV+ series about mental health, which he co-created with Winfrey.
In that show, the Duke accused his father, Prince Charles, of making him ‘suffer’ as a child and alleged that the royal family tried to silence him and Meghan.
When asked about the ramifications of both on-air appearances by Kotb, Winfrey defended the couple’s decision to speak out, telling the Today anchor that the Sussexes ‘deserve’ to ‘not be intruded and invaded upon’, but claiming that this shouldn’t mean they are unable to speak out about their experiences.
Harry also praised the monarch’s ‘great sense of humour’ and said it was ‘really nice to catch up with her’ during their supposedly secret meeting last Thursday before he arrived in The Hague for the Invictus Games.
‘Being with her, it was great. It was just so nice to see her, she’s on great form,’ he said in an interview with NBC Today presenter Kotb in the Netherlands, where he is currently hosting the tournament.
‘She’s always got a great sense of humour with me and I’m just making sure she’s protected and got the right people around her. Both Meghan and I had tea with her, so it was really nice to catch up with her.’
His visit to the Games with Meghan – who has since left The Hague to return to California to look after their two children Archie and Lilibet – was the first time the couple had been seen together publicly on this side of the Atlantic for two years.
Harry also said in the NBC interview: ‘Home for me now, for the time being, is in the States and it feels that way as well. We’ve been welcomed with open arms and we have such a great community up in Santa Barbara.’
The couple moved to the Montecito area of Santa Barbara in California following their decision to step down as senior royals in early 2020, saying they wanted a new life of personal and financial freedom.
But, reacting to his comments, royal correspondent Robert Jobson tweeted: ‘Prince Harry says on US TV he is making sure the Queen is ‘protected and has the right people around her’. How so? I think you’ll find that Prince Charles and Her Majesty’s children and William are DOING just that and supporting the Queen, with actions – and not just words.’
Angela Levin, who wrote the book Harry: Conversations with the Prince, claimed: ‘Harry’s comment on US TV about him checking the Queen is protected is a gross insult to Prince Charles and William. He’s underlined even more that he doesn’t deserve to attend the Jubilee celebrations and be on the Balcony’.
And ex-Conservative MP David Mellor told GB News: ‘On came the news about Harry saying his granny needs to be protected and I fell about. This was a real comic turn. The most best-paid comedian couldn’t be funnier than that. What is the man on? Or rather what is he off?
‘I mean, you just think to yourself, he is really showing signs. But I think what it is, his life is totally distorted now by becoming a Kardashian-type figure, where he’s surrounded by people who want to photograph him because they’re paying him lots of money for the privilege of filming him, and the Queen becomes important to him only because he has to see the Queen for his credibility on Netflix.’
It comes ahead of the Queen’s 96th birthday tomorrow and just over a year after the funeral of her husband the Duke of Edinburgh.
The Palace will be concerned that Harry could make further claims about the Royal Family only a year after his infamous interview to Oprah Winfrey on CBS in which he and Meghan accused unnamed royals of racism.
The Duke has a deeply strained relationship with his family – especially his father Prince Charles and brother Prince William – and missed last month’s memorial service at Westminster Abbey for his grandfather Prince Philip.
Royal aides will be worried about details from a private meeting being divulged, which come on top of fears over what could be contained in his forthcoming memoirs and Netflix documenting his every move at the Games.
The Duke has already been accused in recent days of using his platform at the Games to promote BetterUp, the California mental health start-up for whom he is ‘chief impact officer’ – after the two announced a partnership.
‘Hoda Kotb sat down with Prince Harry to talk about the Invictus Game, his surprise visit with the Queen, and life with his wife Meghan Markle,’ the Today show wrote on Twitter yesterday, while also sharing an image of Kotb, Harry, and one of the veterans taking part in the sporting event.
Harry, Meghan and the Queen watch the RAF flypast on the balcony of Buckingham Palace on July 10, 2018
The Duke of Sussex plays table tennis during day four of the Invictus Games at Zuiderpark in The Hague yesterday
Teasing the interview, Ms Kotb’s co-anchors Savannah Guthrie and Craig Melvin added that the Duke of Sussex will also discuss fatherhood and life with his and Meghan’s two children, Archie, two, and 10-month-old Lilibet.
Meghan did not appear in the Today show interview; she has already left the Netherlands and returned home to California in order to reunite with Archie and Lilibet, having confessed to a military veteran at the Invictus Games that she was missing her two children after being separated from them for the longest time since they were born.
His on-air sit-down marks the latest in a handful of media interviews that he has done since he and Meghan arrived in The Hague on Friday for the start of this year’s Invictus Games.
On Monday, the father-of-two broke his silence about the couple’s meeting with the Queen while speaking to the BBC, saying that it was ‘great to see her’ and adding that she ‘would have loved’ to have attended the Invictus Games alongside him.
Kotb, 57, shared several images of herself with Harry on her Twitter account ahead of the interview’s broadcast on Wednesday morning
The interview will see Harry, 37, speaking about his role as a father to Archie, two, and 10-month-old Lilibet, who live in the couple’s $14.5 million mansion in California
Harry and 40-year-old Meghan (seen left together at the Invictus Games) made a secret visit to the Queen (seen right last month) last week during a quick stop-off in the UK
Prince Harry and 2021 Tokyo Paralympics table tennis silver medalist Thomas Schmidberger play a match of table tennis
Harry, who founded the event for wounded, injured and sick servicemen and women in 2014, said the 96-year-old monarch ‘had plenty of messages for Team UK’ when he met her at Windsor Castle last week.
He added he had passed these onto the team, telling the broadcaster: ‘So, it was great to see her and I’m sure she would love to be here if she could.’
There were reports Harry and Meghan had promised the Queen she would meet her great-grandchildren Archie and Lilibet ‘in the near future’ during the ‘very cordial’ secret meeting on Thursday.
According to The Mirror, senior royal sources described the meeting as ‘very cordial’ and ‘incredibly warm and good natured’.
One royal biographer has claimed the meeting was a way for Prince Harry to ‘slowly starting to rebuild some bridges’ with his father Prince Charles.
Harry and Meghan reportedly also opened the door to a return from their $14.5 million mansion in California for the Queen’s Platinum Jubilee celebrations, and told her of their plans to visit again so she can spend time with their children.
While the Queen had the opportunity to meet Archie – who was born while Meghan and Harry were still living in the UK and serving as senior working royals – she has not yet met her great-granddaughter Lilibet, who is named after her.
Meghan gave birth to Lilibet Diana in June of last year at a hospital near the couple’s Montecito home and they have yet to bring their daughter over to the UK.
Indeed, the couple’s brief trip to the UK last week marked the first time that Meghan has returned to Britain since she and Harry sensationally quit the royal family in March 2020 – a move that has become widely known as ‘Megxit’.
Prince Harry has made just a handful of visits to the UK since the couple relocated to California in the wake of Megxit but he chose not to attend Prince Philip’s memorial service, which took place last month – just over two weeks before the Sussexes made their trip to see the Queen.
His decision to skip the emotional event was met with severe criticism from royal insiders, with Prince Philip’s former protection officer describing Harry’s absence as ‘pathetic’.
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex remained at their mansion in Montecito while the rest of the royal family, including the Queen despite recent health issues, gathered in London for the poignant event.
Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex gets a golf lesson by iSPS Handa ambassador Brendan Lawlor in The Hague yesterday
Harry was handed a seven iron and guided by an instructor was shown how to correctly hold the club in The Hague
Harry’s absence at the event came amid an ongoing battle about his security; he is currently pursuing a legal challenge against the Home Office in the UK after being told he would no longer be given the ‘same degree’ of personal protective security when visiting from the US, despite offering to pay for it himself.
It is unclear exactly what agreement was reached with regards to security before Meghan and Harry returned to the UK last week.
However, reports about their meeting with the Queen suggest that the couple is open to attending the Monarch’s Platinum Jubilee celebrations in June.
Insiders claim that they have been invited to appear at several family events during the multi-day event, including the traditional balcony appearance and a service of thanksgiving at St Paul’s to celebrate the monarch’s 70 years on the throne.
As well as doing several interviews during his time at the Games, Harry has also been followed by a crew of cameramen from Netflix, which is making a documentary about the sporting event as part of the Sussexes reported multi-million pound deal with the streaming giant.
Harry’s interview with Kotb is thought to mark the first time that the pair have spoken on-air, although Kotb did interview Oprah Winfrey last year in the wake of her sit-down with the Sussexes.
Winfrey, 68, spoke with Kotb in May 2021 – just hours after Harry publicly aired more damaging allegations about his family in an Apple TV+ series about mental health.
The news of Harry’s Today interview will likely prompt concern inside Buckingham Palace over what bombshells he might drop; the sit-down comes just over a year after the Sussexes’ explosive on-air chat with Oprah Winfrey
Kotb spoke with Winfrey last year in the wake of her interview with the Sussexes
During the interview, the TV mogul defended Harry and Meghan’s public bashing of the royal family, insisting that the Sussexes ‘deserve’ to ‘not be intruded and invaded upon’ – but claiming that this shouldn’t mean they are unable to speak out about their experiences.
‘You know, I ask for privacy, and I’m talking all the time,’ she said.
‘So I think being able to have a life that you are not intruded upon by photographers, or people flying overhead, or invading your life, is what every person wants and deserves — to not to be intruded and invaded upon.
‘That’s what people are missing. Privacy doesn’t mean silence.’
Her public defence of the couple came just hours after Harry launched fresh attacks on his family in their new five-part mental health series, which sees the Duke accusing his father Prince Charles of making him ‘suffer’ as a child and claiming that the royals tried to ‘bully him into silence’.
Harry also alleged that the royal family tried to ‘trap’ him and Meghan, claiming that the couple faced ‘total silence, total neglect’ when they asked The Firm for help.
Hoda Kotb and Prince Harry: The full transcript
Hoda: ‘There was one woman who came up to me yesterday and she said something that totally struck me in my soul. She said the Invictus Games saved my life. How does that land for you?’
Harry: ‘It feels amazing. But every single Games that I go to I hear the same thing from so many of them. And that… it feels amazing that we have managed to play a part in their recovery, but it also makes me incredibly sad to know that that’s how dark it was for them.’
Hoda: ‘You’ve spoken about obviously mental health issues: When you put that heavy backpack down, like people are lugging stuff around, when you finally put it down. Do you feel yourself like peaceful, or at peace?’
Harry: ‘I think everyone ends up feeling lighter, I think is the best way to describe it. For so many people it is about management. You know the things that trigger you, therefore you try and stay away from that. But what I do know is that there is a light at the end of the tunnel for absolutely everybody.’
Hoda: ‘The only thing I want in my life is to feel like peaceful. You’ve lived in the United States for two years now. Do you feel peaceful now?’
Harry: ‘I don’t know how many people feel truly peaceful, you know? I feel — at times I feel massively at peace. But with everything that is going on in the world and trying to help and trying to use the platform and the influence to try and steer people to try and help. Again, like I think like the biggest concern or the biggest issue that people wrestle with on daily basis that does provide more anxiety for me and for them is the helplessness. We as human beings are compassionate people. But when your life becomes really hard, it can be for some harder to find the compassion for other people. But what I’ve learned over the years is, certainly for myself, I find healing in helping others. And I think that what’s we should really be focusing on.’
Hoda: ‘I love that. I feel like life happens on a random Wednesday. Like here is an example. Some say oh my God I’m going to go on a vacation, my life is going to be great. And it is like exclamation points. The vacation, the graduation, the marriage, the baby. Those are all up here. The other exclamation marks are down here. It’s like sad things that happen, loss, divorce, whatever. Most of life is Wednesday. It doesn’t have the highs. And it doesn’t have the lows. It is just Wednesday. What is a Wednesday like for you, random?’
Harry: ‘What’s a Wednesday like? It revolves around the kids as much as humanly possible. This whole working from home stuff is not all it’s cracked up to be, certainly post-Covid. Because it is really hard when your kids and you are in the same place. It is really hard to separate the work from them. Because they kind of overlap. So I mean Archie spends more time interrupting our Zoom calls than anybody else. But he also gets us off them as well, so that’s also a nice thing.’
Hoda: ‘Does he have your personality? Is he kind of like you? He’s got a little bit of your thing?’
Harry: ‘What’s my thing?’
Hoda: ‘Your cheeky thing?’
Harry: ‘My cheeky thing? Yeah, I think so. I always try and keep that. The cheekiness is something that keeps you alive. There is just so much to be happy about in the outside world, but there is also so much to worry about. My sort of mantra now every day, and it is a dangerous one, because I need to make sure that I don’t have burnout, but is trying to make the world a better place for my kids. Otherwise what is the point of point of bringing kids into this world? It is a responsibility I feel as a parent you probably feel as a parent as well. And we can’t fix everything. We know that. But what we can do is be there for each other.’
Hoda: ‘You obviously made lot of news recently. You went back to the UK. You saw your grandmother. How was that?’
Harry: ‘It was great. It was really nice to see her. To be able to see her in some element of privacy was nice. I hadn’t had the chance to go back the UK for couple of years apart from those two times. One for my grandfather’s funeral and one for unveiling a statue of my mum.’
Hoda: ‘How did it feel being back, being with her?’
Harry: ‘Being with her, it was great. It was just so nice to see her. You know, she’s on great form. She has always got a great sense of humour with me and I’m just making sure she’s protected and has got the right people around her.’
Hoda: ‘You make her laugh, that’s what she always says. Did you do it again?’
Harry: ‘Yes I did. I had tea with her. It was really nice to catch up with her and, you know, home for me now is, you know, for the time being, it’s in the States. And it feels that way as well.’
Hoda: ‘Does it?’
Harry: ‘Yeah. We’ve been welcomed with open arms. And we’ve got such a great community up in Santa Barbara.’
Hoda: ‘So you feel like that’s home more for you?’
Hoda: ‘Is that weird to say?’
Harry: ‘No. But I’m sure it will become a thing.’
Hoda: ‘Your grandmother is going to be 96. What is the best thing about her?’
Harry: ‘Her sense of humour and her ability to see the humour in so many different things. We have a really special relationship. We talk about things that she can’t talk about with anybody else, so that is always a nice peace to her. But I think she’s… I think after a certain age you get bored of birthdays.’
Hoda: ‘You do, do think she’s bored of her 96th. She won’t be bored of the Jubilee, will she?
Harry: ‘No. I don’t think so. She’s had a few Jubilees now and every one is slightly different. I’m sure she is looking forward to it.’
Hoda: ‘Do you think you will come?’
Harry: ‘I don’t know yet. There’s lots of things with security issues and everything else. So, this is what I’m trying to do, trying to make it possible that I can get my kids to meet her.’
Hoda: ‘Your family at home. Do you miss them?’
Harry: ‘Yes. I think especially over the last two years, for most people, have they not missed their family? The ability to even get home and see them? Of course. That’s — you know, that’s a huge part of it.’
Hoda: ‘But do you miss your brother, your dad?
Harry: ‘Look I mean, for me at the moment, I’m here focused on these guys and these families and giving everything that I can, 120 per cent to them to make sure they have the experience of a lifetime. That’s my focus here. And when I leave here, I get back and my focus is on my family who I miss massively.’
Hoda: ‘You do. I bet.’
Harry: ‘Of course I do, they are two little people.’
Hoda: ‘I was thinking about a new life. You got a whole restart. You have a whole new focus, a whole new nucleus. How does that land with you?’
Harry: ‘I think the focus is very much the same’
Reporter: ‘Is it?’
Harry: ‘Yeah, certainly. From my wife’s point of view. For the two of us, this is a life she signed up for and we were committed to doing this together as a couple forever. Because of the circumstances, we’ve now moved that life of service to the States and we’ll continue doing what we were doing before. So in that regard nothing’s has changed for us. It is just a little bit more complicated to have to sort of restart.’
Hoda: ‘Sure. What do you love about fatherhood?
Harry: ‘What do I love about fatherhood? All of it. The chaos, the learning, the reminder of just every element of yourself, your soul, right? When you are not a parent you can get sucked into all sort of different stuff and you can maybe sometimes forget who you are. And suddenly as a parent, especially now Archie is at the age he is at, asking all the questions.’
Hoda: ‘What does he ask?’
Harry: ‘Questions of the whys. He’s into the why stage. Why this? Why that? Why that? And instead of just trying to move it on, I give him the most honest answer I can. And then it goes on and on and on until he’s satisfied. And then that’s it. It’s done. Otherwise it ends up with – because the world is round and that it is the way life is.’
Hoda: ‘That’s just the way it goes.’
Harry: ‘So it’s like, I love it. I love every part of it. I’ve always wanted to be a dad. I’ve always wanted to have my own kids and now I have got two little people who I’m responsible for.’
Hoda: ‘Do you tell them or tell Archie now he’s old enough about your mom?’
Harry: ‘Yes. Yeah, yeah. Very much so. I don’t tell him all the stuff that happened. But certainly that this is, you know, grandma Diana and we’ve got a couple of photos up in the house.’
Hoda: ‘In these moments do you ever feel your mum’s presence?’
Harry: ‘Yeah, no, for me it is constant. It has been over the last two years. More so than ever before. And it is almost as though she’s done her bit with my brother and now she’s very much, like, helping me. Got him set up. And now she’s helping me set up. That’s what it feels like, you know? He’s got his kids. I’ve got my kids, you know the circumstances are obviously different. But now, I feel her presence in almost everything that I do now. But definitely more so in the last two years than ever before. Without question. So she’s watching over us.’
Hoda: ‘I’m sure she’s proud of you.’
Harry: ‘I’m sure she is.’
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